)Afraid not, 'mignotta' isn't directly from Latin, corrupted or otherwise. Meaning squaldrina, bagascia, puttana, it is from the Old French mignotte the femminine of mignot, from which mignon 'favoured', all ultimately from minet 'cat'sono piccolo ma crescero ha scritto:For instance the Roman slang word "mignotta" comes from the latin sentence "filius m. ignotae" written in the parrish baptism registers, as everybody will tell you in Rome
Sono piccolo and Peter G. Having just rediscovered this section which I had thought had been discontinued (comes from senile dementia seeing how old I have become!) may I be permitted to insert a small comment on this word 'mignotta'. Surely the phrase quoted in Latin - filius m.ignotae - means much the same as what used to be once upon a time used in Italy on birth certificates - NN - padre ignoto. Not knowing any Latin (ignorant man!) it does appear to me to indicate that the child is of unknown parentage. Just a thought to keep the argument going. Ron, I must plead guilty. I am that Larry Southgate and as a matter of fact I did once live in Southgate in London when I worked in the War Office.. I, too, served in Trieste from October 46 to Feb 47 and again from September 48 to September 53. But does your name figure on the list of members of the Betfor Association? And does that of Peter G from Lincoln? We have our own web-site for the Betfor Association and the address finishes with .org. But what a surprise I got last weekend when, after having posted something else in other pages of this forum, I typed in by mistake: www.betforassociazione.org and was immediately directed to this page by google. I had intended to type the word 'associazione' in English but it was late and I had nearly finished a large Scotch on the rocks, the eyes were blurred, , have a try yourself, using google! Serlilian. Mi da l'impression che sei femminile oooops sorry, from your nickname I get the idea I am speaking to a female and having had a squint atyour profile with the web-address including 'marina' I'm convinced. I note also that you have - Interests - Tanti'. Ben, saro a Trieste in giugno dal 10 al 21 con altri dalla nostra BETFOR Association. Ooops again! sorry! Many interests! OK, I will be in Trieste in June from 10 till 21 with others from our BETFOR Association. I'm booked into a B&B in Via Battisti 18 - 5th floor. Thanks for your confirmation of my understanding of that Latin phrase, (which I notice Peter G has also commented on up above). There maybe one or two birth certificates around Europe(ivi compreso l'Italia) with that phrase on of which I could be guilty but the fruits of war would be my excuse!!! Sorry, but I was never involved with BETFOR as I was already involved in many other forums & Blogs and (I think) neither was Peter.But does your name figure on the list of members of the Betfor Association? And does that of Peter G from Lincoln?
Yes, Larry. I'm a lady. My name is Liliana. I would be very glad to meet you and your comrades on June.Larry ha scritto:
Larry Good night and sweet dreams (I wonder why in English it is always 'sweet dreams' whilst in Italian tis always 'golden dreams').
Serlilian - So we must meet for an ice-cream in Viale 20 one evening. However, I must disappoint you as far as museums and art galleries are concerned. I do NOT go to museums (unless dragged in protesting by a lady-friend) and art leaves me stone cold so do not go to art-galleries either. At one time I worked in the War Office in Whitehall, London, about 2/300 metres from the British National Art Gallery yet never paid a visit, nor to the Victoria and Albert Museum a few more metres away. Yes, I did once visit the museum in Trieste (in the Via Cavanna?) with my wife, but left after about 10 minutes bored stiff. LIFE is much more interesting. What happened in the past is dead and gone, let it rest, not collect it. If people ever learnt anything from history we would not be in the mess in the world that we are in today. If somebody wants to paint a picture and frame it, OK. Whatever turns them on. Just do not expect me to look at it and murmur 'he's a genius'. He/she is NOT. They are just people who like to paint. Full stop. And yes, I have visited the Vatican City in Rome. I even had my photograph taken inside in the garden in 1946. I have walked over the Ponte Vecchio in Florence but NOT visited the Pitti and other places, I have climbed all the steps to the top of the Leaning Tower, and, yes, to my delight, I have been once or twice in the past to the Bastioni Fioriti in San Giusto. (jera un night). 
Ron, I have to confess that I cannot recall to memory Maria. "Say it loud and it's almost like singing, say it soft and it's almost like praying" as the song goes. Give me a call on my email - veccio at sky dot com and fill me in please. But you really should join the Association. There are over 300 of us now in the associaton. Nothing much to do. We have a reunion once a year and the occasional small get-together in various parts of the UK. We publish a journal 3/4 times a year in which photos of some of the lads appear in Trieste from the old days. Cost you a tenner a year that's all. What unit were you with? 1946/47 I was with the 1st Welch up in Opicina, then from 48 to 53 I was with Betfor Signals in Via Donadoni. With so much water under the bridge since we were all there we should really call ourselves the Betfor Geriatrics Association. If Peter G reads this and if he was also a part of Betfor he too could join us in keeping the flame alight and the Alabarda pointing to the stars.
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